I recently engaged in a debate with a particularly vehement pro-choice feminist who concluded our argument rather huffily by letting me know that she was going to donate to a certain Lilith Fund as a result of our discussion. Appalled to hear that such an organization existed and assuring myself that it couldn’t really be what I thought it was, I immediately looked it up. Sure enough, the Lilith Fund is exactly what I hoped it wouldn’t turn out to be: an abortion assistance fund operating in my home state of Texas.
My horror stemmed from the fact that I had a prior knowledge of the mythological character of Lilith. If you also do, you know what I’m referring to. If you don’t, you can expect to be thoroughly disquieted by what I’m about to tell you.
The Lilith Fund website proclaims on the About Us tab:
“Who is Lilith? Lilith was the first woman created by God, as Adam’s wife and equal. Because Lilith refused to be subservient or submissive, she was sent away from Eden. Today Lilith is the feminist icon of the free-spirited, strong woman.”
Unfortunately, this little statement offers about as much truth regarding the legends of Lilith as a computer salesman who tells you that Windows Vista is a great operating system because it lets you put a Weather Channel gadget on your desktop. The computer salesman would be right about the weather gadget, but entirely wrong about the conclusion he drew from it, having only related a small portion of the relevant facts. The same is true of the mythological character of Lilith.
As it turns out, Lilith was – how to put this delicately? – a cannibalistic, child-killing demon and vampire. Odd that an abortion fund would want to name themselves after a legendary creature with those traits, right? Let’s do a little research of our own and take a look at some examples of Lilith in mythology.
“Lilith is a character in Jewish mythology, developed earliest in the Babylonian Talmud, who is generally thought to be related to a class of female demons Līlīṯu in Mesopotamian texts… The Assyrian lilitû were said to prey upon children and women and were described as associated with lions, storms, desert, and disease.”
That’s not exactly a mascot I would pick for anything, much less an abortion-related business, but to each his own, I guess.
Here’s another morsel of nastiness:
“Lamashtû was a very similar Mesopotamian demon to Lilitû, and Lilith seems to have inherited many of Lamashtû’s myths. Many incantations against her mention her status as a daughter of heaven and her exercising her free will over infants… Unlike her demonic peers, Lamashtû was not instructed by the gods to do her malevolence; she did it on her own accord. She was believed to seduce men, harm pregnant women, mothers, and neonates, kill foliage, and drink blood and was a cause of disease, sickness, and death.”
A “neonate,” in case you were wondering, is a newborn baby.
Are you growing progressively confused as to why anybody would wish for their non-profit to be associated with the term Lilith? Me too. Interestingly enough, the Lilith Fund doesn’t seem to find its rather disgusting origins embarrassing. LifeSiteNews says:
“On its Facebook page earlier [last] year, [the Lilith Fund] eerily invited fans to express their devotion to abortion by posting the phrase ‘I am meeting Lilith’ as their status, ‘if you have had an abortion or know someone who’s had an abortion.’”
Let’s take a look at one last depiction of Lilith.
According to Siegmund Hurwitz, the Talmudic Lilith is connected with the Greek Lamia, who likewise governed a class of child-stealing lamia-demons. Lamia bore the title “child killer” and was feared for her malevolence, like Lilith. She has different conflicting origins and is described as having a human upper body from the waist up and a serpentine body from the waist down… grief caused Lamia to turn into a monster that took revenge on mothers by stealing their children and devouring them. Lamia had a vicious sexual appetite that matched her cannibalistic appetite for children. She was notorious for being a vampiric spirit and loved sucking men’s blood.
Earlier this week, a chilling photograph of a dead baby aborted at nine months was circulated on the web. The child, a victim of a forced abortion under China’s one-child policy, is shown submerged in a tub of water and may have been born alive. It has caused a global stir, as readers everywhere have expressed outrage, and reports indicate that the kerfuffle has been particularly overwhelming in China.
Tragically, the travesty of forced abortion in China is only the extreme end of a shocking human rights violation that occurs every day in our own nation. No matter how you look at it, abortion is a horrible procedure to contemplate and indisputably stops a beating heart. Perhaps it is fitting that the mascot of the industry should be a bestial, child-strangling demon. If this mystical Lilith entity is the icon of so-called “free-spirited, strong women,” I want no part of that clique.
Bryana Johnson | Texas A&M University | Dallas, Texas | @HighTideJournal
Thank you for shedding more light on the abominations of the abortion industry, and the demonic presences overshadowing it. Lilith is a demonic entity, and I have produced a Youtube film regarding the number of masks she has worn over the ages. She has appeared in many nations, as Artemis to the Greek’s, as Diana to the Romans, as Oshun to Africa, as Kali to india, and as Santa Muerte, a growing threat in Mexico and the US. This information came to me from the Holy Spirit, and in truth, Lilith is mentioned in Isaiah 34, but some translations do not call Lilith by name but refer to her as a ‘night monster’. Lilith is the bride of satan, she is the author of female rebellion, the demon behind roe v wade, planned parenthood, witchcraft, divinations, manipulations, control, she creates drama queens and hateful, cold and selfish hearts who won’t blink an eye at the murder of an infant if it interferes with the mother’s ‘will’. Lilith is the spirit who possessed Jezebel. It is no wonder that her name would be placed upon an organization that promotes murder, for the devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning, who steals, kills and destroys. Lilith is active in the battle for souls, and she wishes to drag as many to hell as possible, which is why we must pray for those caught in her web and shackled in her chains.
Abortion is the absolute best thing that ever happened to our society. In a misogynist world we as women should at least at the bare minimum have a say so to our own reproductive rights. Bless those who put their ignorance aside and would rather a woman have a safe procedure than risk her like with a coat hanger
Thanks for bringing The Lilith Fund to my attention. I am pleased to let you know that I just gave them a nice donation, as I now plan to do every year from now. My advice to you is: Maybe you should focus your energy on people who really want your help. Women who are seeking assistance with reproductive services including abortion absolutely will not be swayed by your biased view. Attacking something like the Lilith Fund only fuels the fire.
Good on you, Zeketown!
Bryana Johnson is what I call a “stinktank analist”.
Normally, I don’t respond to on-line postings. People like Ms. Johnson are making it dangerous for the rest of us
to speak our minds.
I am an admirer of Lilith, and that (among other things) probably makes me a “degenerate”. In that case, let my
very existence be an argument in favor of making abortion available for women.
Over-population is only good for capitalists (like the Catholic Church) who already own everything and control the
technology that should be providing free electricity (without pollution), and more (with peace!), for the whole world.
So lets “destroy” a fund that helps people because you are so entirely judgmental that *I* can’t see straight. I’ve had an abortion and you will NEVER understand it until you are in the situation — which I don’t wish on you, its a hard experience. I am unemployed and the embryo (yes, not even a fetus yet) wasn’t growing correctly. Birth control failed me, the cells weren’t splitting correctly, and I am too poor with no health insurance to pay for an abortion. I don’t want to have a deformed baby or risk my fertility because a group of cells wouldn’t split right. I want to have HEALTHY children in the future and that is my right.
I have been the victim of abortion. I say victim because at 18 I was not filled with truth and facts. Only opinions. That experience brought me to this question. “What woman would not give her life for her child?” Abortion, I see now, is a demonic institution and a lie that takes human life. No one can see the future or see the end result of any pregnancy. I was told I would never have a child because of what the abortion (at 5 weeks) had done to my body. It destroyed my fertility having what would be my child torn from my body. You bet it was tough then. Married to an abusive man, no money, no light at the end of the tunnel. I had the abortion because of the “right reasons”. But now I see there are no right reasons and whether is is right after or years down the road, every woman will pay for that mistake. No one has ever regretted giving life to a deformed child, but they eventually will regret killing it… at any age. Killing your own child is your right. Killing yourself is too. So is killing an animal or an ex or a family member. Does that make it a good thing to do? Does that mean there will not be a price to pay? I caution this mindset as one who has stood there. There is no happy ending down this road.
Your pain is exactly one of the reasons WE oppose abortion. It harms two women half of the time and an innocent man the rest of the time. Im truly grieved by your pain.Jesus loves you and forgives.
Why, why, why don’t you women learn to SPELL. It is positively outrageous to read all they biased comments while also trying to figure out what the writer really meant because she can’t spell. And, BTW, it’s facade, not your almost illiterate facde.
“read all they biased comments”
Pot, meet kettle.
Maybe they are biased.
Ignoring that pro-choice is an unbiased stance, I was poking fun at this guy decrying all the typos while saying so with his own typo.
The amusing thing about using Wiki as her source is at the top of the entry after it talks about the demon stuff, it says [paraphrase] there’s very little proof related to how these cultures viewed these “demons” and this interpetation of Lilith probably isn’t correct.
Regardless, the fund obviously takes its name from the Jewish legend. If you have an issue with people misapporiating things, are you going to write article on how the Susan B Anthony List is wrong since there’s no proof on what Susan would think of mordon day abortion?
Also, your shock that there is a private organzation that helps people pay for a legal medical procedure makes me shake my head. I thought Conservatives were all about businesses doing what businesses wanted to do? The Lilith Fund isn’t doing anything illegal.
Also, if the fetus was a victim of a force abortion under the one child rule, why is it nine months along? Is there a woman in China who went “yay I’m pregnant!” [nine months later] “Oh shit, I forgot I had a kid already!” Even if it was due to gender preference, it would of been discovered before the nine month mark. Seems to me its a another case of a wanted child that may of had medical issues that would of given it a short life or kill the mother.
I’m amazed that people who claim “pro-life” is about loving life judge how strangers lead theirs but I’m over the top amazed that these people judge women who had third term abortions. You guys realize these children where wanted right?
Also, how can you be against forced abortion but support forcing women to go through unwanted/dangerous pregnancies? You realize a woman is 14 times more likely to die during birth than abortion right?
1.) Your comments on the forced abortion of the child in China are… stupid. As was said, it was a “forced” abortion; meaning the mother did not WANT to abort her child, but was forced to. This happens very frequently in China. And it is a lot easier than you apparently believe to hide a pregnancy from others. Especially if you fear for your life and the life of your child… a mother can do amazing things to protect her son/daughter. Children are aborted in China well into the advanced stages of pregnancy all the time because of the circumstances that surround forcing a woman to do so: someone would have to notice the woman is pregnant (even when she could very well be hiding it… someone might not even notice until she is 7-8 months along) and then report her to the authorities, who then have to come to her and persuade her to abort on her own, and then finally force her into it if she objects. I doubt this process takes a day or two; I imagine at least a few weeks are involved.
2.) Nowhere in this article did the author mention judging the woman in China who had the abortion. Indeed, the fact that the abortion was *forced* means the woman is not at fault in the abortion at all. And since she was so far along in her pregnancy she obviously had tried everything she could to prevent the abortion from taking place. Being pro-life IS about being loving, and no one was judging any of the women in the world who are forced into have abortions they do not want.
3.) No one is ever advocating forcing women to have children ever. Pro-lifers do not want women to be forced into having unwanted pregnancies in the first place. Pro-lifers advocate for men and women not having sex until they are ready to handle the responsibility of either a pregancy (a natural result of sex) or an STD (an extremely common possiblity in this age). If a woman is not ready for a baby, then she should wait to have sex… since sex naturally creates babies. This isn’t rocket science. By choosing to have sex a man or woman is saying “I choose to take the risk of getting pregnant.” Done. Choice made. A woman should not then be irresponsible and have the ability to choose to kill the child she helped create.
4.) A pregnancy is “dangerous” so extremely infrequently that it is pretty much a non-issue. Most pro-lifers are not against actions that are used to save the life of the mother if her life is seriously in jeopardy. This would not be an elective abortion; it would be a life saving measure that in no way puroposely causes an abortion, but has abortion as an unfortunate side effect. However, once again, the cases in which the life of the mother is so severely threatened that she would need to undergo a medical treatment or precedure that might kill her unborn child is very, extremely, outrageously RARE. And so is an exception. And the exception should NOT make the rule.
4.) Your statisic on childbirth being more dangerous than abortion is faulty. See this link:: http://www.aaplog.org/get-involved/letters-to-members/abortion-is-safer-than-childbirth/ :: for information that shows the incredibly faulty numbers that are used to calculate these danger statistics. 95% of women give birth in a hospital, so any complications and deaths are recorded and kept and collected by the CDC. Most abortions take place in a Planned Parenthood or an abortion clinic. And these clinics give their reporting numbers to the CDC *voluntarily;* they are not required to do so, so many don’t. Of those that do, they give whatever information they *Want* to give, so of course their numbers will be biased.
Also go on Google/Yahoo and look up the numerous and widespread accounts of women either dying from a botched abortion or having severe complications due to a botched abortion. Personally, I’d feel much safer giving birth in a hospital then I would having an abortion in a Planned Parenthood or other abortion clinic that would have to call an ambulance to come pick me up if they screwed up.
1) First of all, the article linked is from LifeSiteNews, a very biased news source. While I’m not denying that force abortion occurs in China, the idea that people are automatically assuming that what this is mockable. We don’t know – all we know is we have a picture which could easily be a still born just as much as an abortion. Even the article linked to the China new site doesn’t offer much information.
2) “Being pro-life IS about being loving, and no one was judging any of the women in the world who are forced into have abortions they do not want.”
No but it is edvident that pro-lifers judge people who have abortions by the simple fact that pro-lifers try to make abortion illegal. The author stated she was appalled that an organzation exists to help women get a legal medical procedure. She is clearly judging that this org exists and by that extension, the women it helps. (Which most likely includes women in their third term.)
3) No, sex is not a contract for pregnancy any more than swimming is a contact for drowning. Pregnancy is one result of sex (note: it does not happen all the time), just as drowning is one result of swimming. Should we fire all life guards? Further, sex is not soley for pregnancy. What about couples who don’t want children? Sex is also an expresion of love – are they never allowed to have sex? And by your logic, birth control and condoms shouldn’t be legal ever.
Regardless, your thoughts are clearly defined by your moral beliefs which is not what the law should be based on. Not everyone believes what you do. No one is trying to make force abortion legal in this country – stop trying to making force pregnancy legal by making abortion illegal or hard to get.
4) Basically you’re saying that you are ok with some women dying so your beliefs can be made into laws even though they will surpress other people’s beliefs?
And you say pro-lifers are loving. Up ahead, you cite that rape victims only make up 1% of abortions ever year. You realize thats 10,000 women a year that you want to force to have babies a year right?
4) First of all, there are 1.37 million abortions a year in the US. Planned Parenthood only does 300,000 a year (give or take). Most abortions are done in hospitals, not clincis or Planned Parenthoods. Believe it or not, a lot of PP just provide referrels to hostipals and subsize the costs.
Further, your link is from a biased source. I’m not surprised that a pro-life site isn’t admitting that a woman is more likely to die from giving birth than abortion. The first sign of this is the lack of links.
Further, I find it odd that you admit that women are willing to risk their life to get an abortion (surely a woman would choose to go somewhere reputable if they could to get a safe abortion). And then you think that by making abortion illegal or hard to get, this will stop. It won’t. In countries where abortion is illegal, women are still having abortions and still dying.
Now, I’m sure you’re thinking “well, thats their problem, they shouldn’t have made a decision to have sex based on their beliefs of what sex means!” but that just shows you don’t really care about life since you’re willing to risk two just so your morals can be made into law.
And you say pro-lifers are loving.
Before you respond, I ask you to google Gerri Santoro, a woman who got an abortion back when it was illegal in the USA and tell me if you wish for that to happen again. Tell me that your morals and beliefs are so amazing that they should surpass other people’s beliefs.
No one’s forcing you to have an abortion. Please don’t force others to have unwanted pregnacies.
Chelle thankyou! Finally someone with some common sense- and not hiding behind a facde!
To be honest I could care less about the origin of “Lilith”. But I certainly do not want you, or the government, or any other persons telling me what I can do to my body. Would I have an abortion- no- but does that mean that other women should feel the same way I do? Do we know their circumstances? Are we here to judge?
What if so-called conservatives had an issue with X-rays? or mammograms? or operations…? Should we try and outlaw those procedures as well? I mean- when does it stop- who draws the imaginary line?
So lets force that 13yr. old rape victim to have the baby of her accuser- even though her family has no means to support it- and it will be a devastating ordeal for her. Or better yet- force her to have the baby- then give it away for adoption- yeah because she certainly is mature enough to make that decision right..?
There is a HUGE difference between an abortion and an x-ray or mammogram… an abortion kills the life of an innocent, living human being. Last I heard x-rays don’t kill, mammograms don’t kill… and if they *did* both of those are elective actions that affect ONLY one person–the person electing to have them. An abortion affects a person separate from the woman. That is why it is wrong.
And I’m so sick of people throwing the word “judge” around willy freaking nilly. If two people disagree then one ultimately whines that the other is “judging” them or “oppressing” them or creating a “war” on them. Boo hoo. Conservatives don’t like abortion. Have you ever been to an abortion clinic and seen sidewalk counselors speaking with abortion-minded women? They (the counselors) are some of the LEAST judgemental and most LOVING people I’ve ever met in my life.
And once again– LESS THAN 1% of ALL abortions are because of rape or incest…. less than 1%!! Is it tragic? YES. But that number simply means that in abortion, rape is the EXCEPTION, not the rule! And the exception should NOT be used to govern the rule! It’s like rape is the trump card for the pro-choice movement… guess what: pregnancy caused by rape is RARE and should NOT be used to say abortion should be free, legal, and thrown around like candy for every single woman ever.
Also– if a 13 year old is mature enough to make the decision to kill the human being growing inside of her, then she should be mature enough to allow the baby to live and be raised by someone else. Abortion is traumatic; a woman who is raped has already been traumatized through the rape, and now we want her to be traumatized more through an abortion? When rape victims actually have reported feeling like they are being raped and victimized all over again? And what of the child? Is the child any less worthy of life because his/her father committed a crime? Last I heard, this country does not punish children for the crimes of their parents; the same should be for these children.
And what about all of those people who have babies, but then lose their jobs and can no longer afford to support themselves and their kids? Should they be allowed to kill off their newborns? Their toddlers? Their pre-schoolers? Why not? (Well, if you’re an Australian “ethicist,” then you think that they should be allowed to.) Oh, right: because they are human beings with a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So unless pro-choicers can accurately claim that a fetus is: not living, not a human being, and not its own complete entity separate from its mother, then the pro-choice side is on a slippery slope of determining which human beings deserve to be persons with the rights of person, and which don’t. And guess what? America tried that already. It was called slavery (in which a slave was a person… but only 3/5ths of a person), and it kind of sucked. I’d like to NOT go back to that, thanks.
“Conservatives don’t like abortion.”
Thankfully its prefectly legal for people who don’t like abortions to not get them!
“Have you ever been to an abortion clinic and seen sidewalk counselors speaking with abortion-minded women?”
Nope but I’ve seen pro-life protestors standing outside clinics trying to prevent people from entering them. In fact, this occured so much that now its illegal to block an enterence to a clinic. I’ve also seen pro-lifers bomb clinics and kill staff members.
Further, am I suppose to be happy that there are people going up to women who need an abortion and trying to chat them out of it, without knowing anything about that person? Would you be happy if people went up to pregnant strangers they don’t know and start telling them why abortion is a better alternative.
“And once again– LESS THAN 1% of ALL abortions are because of rape or incest…. less than 1%!! Is it tragic? YES. But that number simply means that in abortion, rape is the EXCEPTION, not the rule!”
How carelessly you throw away 10,000 women each year. Clearly, pro-lifers are loving if 10,000 women shouldn’t matter when trying to make their personal beliefs into laws that govern every one.
“And what about all of those people who have babies, but then lose their jobs and can no longer afford to support themselves and their kids? Should they be allowed to kill off their newborns? Their toddlers? Their pre-schoolers? Why not?”
Because a child can be given to someone else to be taken care of. A fetus can not be placed in foster care. Or given to another woman to carry to term.
“So unless pro-choicers can accurately claim that a fetus is: not living, not a human being, and not its own complete entity separate from its mother, then the pro-choice side is on a slippery slope of determining which human beings deserve to be persons with the rights of person, and which don’t.”
A fetus is not a complete entity seperate from its mother. This is basic sciene. A fetus can not fend for itself, it depends on one spefic person to live and unlike with a child, you can’t just swap it out. Particulary since most abortions occur before a fetus is three months “old.”
“It was called slavery (in which a slave was a person… but only 3/5ths of a person), and it kind of sucked. I’d like to NOT go back to that, thanks.”
And yet you want to make it so a fetus’ “rights” take priority over a woman’s rights. Yea, that wouldn’t be involiantion of the 13th Amendment where no one can use any one else against their will at all!
Also, I’m not even going to touch how black slaves are not compareable to a fetus. That statement alones says you’re an idoit and shouldn’t have any say over laws at all.
If the Supreme Court can’t find anything wrong with the basic procedure of abortion, I doubt you will either.
“Abortion is traumatic”
I can’t believe I missed this one! While I’m sure abortion is traumatic for some, this is not widespread or a common occurance. There is no link between depression and abortion.
However, there is such a thing as postpartum depression. Also, if you believe having an abortion is tramuaizing, wouldn’t you also have to acknowledge that giving up a child is tramuazing? Even more so since most abortions occur in the first trimester and adoption occurs after a woman has rearranged her life and carried the fetus for nine months? So if you’re trying to avoid further tramua to rape victims, you’d support legal abortion, so they may have access to it if they so choose.
But hey, whats most tramuzing, a rape victim deciding for herself how to make her own medical decisions or state laws that require a rape victim to have a large rod shoved up her vagina in order to undergo a force ultrasound against her will and her dr’s medical opinion?
“Also– if a 13 year old is mature enough to make the decision to kill the human being growing inside of her, then she should be mature enough to allow the baby to live and be raised by someone else”
This right here is all anyone needs to know that you do not care any bit about the women who need abortion. Just because women, of any age, make a choice you disagree with does not mean its immoral or wrong or she’s a murderer. You basically just said if this (fictional) child was mature enough to get rape, she’s mature enough to do what you, a complete stranger, wishes.
Yea, pro-lifers are loving.
I have to agree, Wickipedia…not the best place to go for citations. In early Jewish mythology, prior to the attempted erasing of Asherah, Lillith was given the right to protect women and children during the very dangerous first 8 days after childbirth. After the 8 days were up, the boys were circumcised and claimed by El, who later elvoved into the Ywhw we know today. Because of this claiming Lillith was cast as a demonic character.
You criticize her source, yet give no source for your own ridiculous claim. And it is ridiculous.
As an educator who is quite familiar with ancient mythology, I can assure your that yours is an obscure assertion of Mesopotamian origin. Lilith is much more widely known as a child-stealer and killer and she was greatly feared. Her reputation throughout history as a mother of demons who stalks children is easily found by doing an internet search. Websites abound with this knowledge, but few describe her as a child-protector.
This begs the question, “Why would a pro-abortion organization choose a demonic figure KNOWN FOR KILLING BABIES IN GROTESQUE WAYS to represent them?” It is sickening.
And I agree with Michelle. You women who have been fed the lie that it is just your body, need to do some thinking for yourselves. It is not your body, it is a helpless child you are are destroying.
It is not a helpless child, it is a fetus that depends on our body to survive. Therefore, its a part of our body and we are entitled to make decisions about our bodies.
Thanks for playing dude.
Also, the wiki source she uses clearly says at the top that [paraphrase] there’s very little proof related to how these cultures viewed these “demons” and this interpetation of Lilith probably isn’t correct.
So her crappy wiki source doesn’t even back up her claim that Lilith was known as a baby killer.
I have a strong problem with your use of wikipedia as a source to find out about the Jewish legend of Lilith. Can’t you find another, more reliable source. Or at least use the sources cited at the bottom of the page? This use of wikipedia as a “good” source needs to end. Open source is great for some things, but not always great for gathering a survey of the facts.